A Mindful Perspective
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A Mindful Perspective
The Dark Night of the Soul: What It Is and How to Work Through It
Could a life-shattering event be the catalyst for a profound personal rebirth? That's what we're exploring as we unpack the mysterious and transformative "dark night of the soul." This episode promises to guide you through the challenging terrain of existential crises, whether triggered by dramatic life changes like a painful breakup or the slow accumulation of unresolved inner turmoil. Much like a snake shedding its skin, we discuss how these experiences can lead to a healthier, more authentic self. Join us as we challenge the notion of ego death and instead, view these moments as a unique opportunity for rebirth and renewal.
Through raw and real scenarios, we dive deeply into the triggers of such transformative experiences. Imagine the upheaval following the end of a long-term relationship or the gut-wrenching reality of staying in a toxic situation because the familiar feels safer than the unknown. These situations force us to confront shadowy corners of our psyche and unaddressed fears. We'll discuss the importance of shadow work and how understanding these hidden parts of ourselves can break unhealthy patterns, pushing us toward personal growth and self-compassion.
As we navigate through the darkness, we'll discuss practical strategies for maintaining well-being during these turbulent times. From prioritizing sleep and nutrition to seeking out meaningful connections, we'll provide insights on how to resist falling back into old, addictive patterns. By embracing a curious mindset, we encourage you to transform feelings of inadequacy into opportunities for self-discovery. This episode is a call to embrace self-compassion, curiosity, and the path to a more meaningful existence.
Hello everyone and welcome to A Mindful Perspective. I'm your host, nick Levesque, certified Spiritual Life Coach, and I'm here to share insights into my journey of mindfulness and self-discovery. Each week, we'll explore mindset, spirituality and personal growth to help you navigate life's challenges with practical strategies and inspiring stories. Let's dive in.
Speaker 2:Hey everyone, welcome to another episode of A Mindful Perspective. Have you ever felt lost or disconnected, or like everything you once believed in just kind of turned upside down? If so and maybe you're feeling this way right now you could have gone through something, or maybe you are going through something that's known as a dark night of the soul. Okay, and in this video today, I really want us to talk about what the dark night of the soul is, why it's so difficult and why we go through this, okay, and also how to work through it as well, because for me personally, in my own experience, I think the dark night of the soul even though at that point in time it didn't seem like it it's the best thing that ever happened to me. Okay, and I think really, if you use a metaphor, it's kind of like a Phoenix rising from the ash, right, it's really kind of that rebirth, and if I could describe it in one sentence, okay, it would really be coming back home to ourselves. So it in one sentence okay, it would really be coming back home to ourselves. So, again, if we kind of simplify this, right, the dark night of the soul is really when a person experiences a situation that's so intense and it just kind of disrupts their core sense of self, right, maybe their identity. There's so many different things that can really come from this, but it's a very difficult experience that can kind of make you hit rock bottom. That's really what happened to me. That's how I kind of like to explain it. I think rock bottom for a lot of people really resonates, right, it's kind of that.
Speaker 2:You know, you don't know what to do anymore, right, for a lot of people, it's loss of meaning. You start really asking these bigger existential questions. As an example, okay, really, depending on what circumstance you're going through and the thing about the dark night is it's going to be a subjective experience for everyone Okay, there are many different things that can trigger this. Okay, we'll talk about, um, more specific examples later, but it could be, as an example, the end of a relationship. Uh, maybe you got laid off from a you know, a 20 year career, as an example. Maybe you're, um, you know you're going through a difficult time because you've lost a child or something along those lines. Right, it's. This is what I'm talking about. It's situations that kind of just push your back against the wall and you, you know, you start questioning everything. You don't know what to do with yourself. Sometimes you don't even know who you are anymore, right? It challenges kind of that core sense of identity and just everything about yourself and sometimes everything about what you believe about the world, so many different things.
Speaker 2:And also the other thing that I want to talk about as well, as sometimes, you know, people talk about this, as you know, the dark night of the soul is kind of like the death of the old self, right. A term that's really associated with this often is ego death. Okay, now, for me personally, I don't really like the term ego death or like transcending the ego. I know a lot of spiritual teachers you know talk about, you know, transcending the ego and you know killing your ego, as you, if you will, maybe that's a symbolic term, a symbolic meaning, but for me, the way I kind of look at it, right, is kind of what we talked about before. It's a rebirth, okay. It's kind of like when a snake sheds its skin. This is what a real dark night of the soul is for me, right, because for me it's not about killing your ego, it's about building a healthier ego, right, A healthier sense of self and bringing true meaning to your life and making sure that you are living authentically and how you're supposed to be living your life.
Speaker 2:And the other thing to remember about the dark night of the soul as well that's very important is that it's not always tied to a specific event, okay. So in my personal experience, I didn't even know what caused my dark night of the soul. All I knew was that I was feeling disconnected from myself, I was feeling empty, right. I was feeling like I had no meaning, like life had no meaning, right. All these different things. But those were things that were accumulating over time. It wasn't just a specific event. So sometimes it's a buildup over many years and then you finally get to this point where you're like you know I need help, or like I'm hitting rock bottom, or all these different things, right? So that's one thing to consider.
Speaker 2:And another question that comes up a lot is how long is the dark night of the soul, right? And that's a question again that you know. If I'm being honest, I can't answer because that will be different for each individual, right? For me, personally, my dark night lasted a few years, okay. For other people, the dark night can be a few months, okay, or a year or two years, it really depends, okay.
Speaker 2:And the other thing as well to remember about the dark night of the soul is that it can happen multiple times in your life. It's not just one thing that happens, okay. So maybe in your twenties something happened and you know you were challenged to shed a layer of yourself. Okay, so this is, you know, one thing that can happen. But then again in your thirties, you may be presented with something else that's extremely challenging, okay. And then in your fifties, maybe something else happens again. So this is what I'm saying Okay, there's multiple layers to the dark night of the soul and it can happen many times in our lifetimes. But the thing about the dark night of the soul is, I think every time is a transformation, okay, and the first time you go through it is typically the hardest. And then the second time you kind of get this awareness right. You kind of get this awareness, okay, like something's happening. Okay, maybe it's time for me to shed something old beliefs, old narratives, old stories that I've been holding onto as an example right, to create better space in my life. And I think this is what it is. This is what I'm saying.
Speaker 2:I think a lot of people or you know, myself personally, I don't like the term ego death is because I think that your ego doesn't disappear it, it evolves. Okay, your ego represents, you know, kind of your constructed sense of identity, right? So how we define ourselves, how we interact with the world, um, and just how we understand our place in it, I guess is another way to put it as well Um, this includes so many things our beliefs, our roles, our desires, right, so many different things. So this is why I'm saying I really don't think that we are, you know, killing your ego. I think it's like I said earlier, I think your ego is evolving, right, I think your ego is evolving and it's it's building a healthier ego, right, so it's building a healthier sense of self.
Speaker 2:And if you're watching this video right now and you're like, wow, this really resonates, or like maybe I am going through a dark night of the soul, right, you know common symptoms that we kind of feel when we're going through this dark night of the soul for myself personally, from clients I've worked with, and even just check the internet as well, right, you'll, you'll notice that there's a pattern, but a lot of times it's like it's a loss of meaning in your life. It's, you know, feeling disconnected from yourself. It's feeling numb, right, it's feeling very numb, and I would also say kind of like feelings of depression. And I'm not necessarily talking about clinical depression here, but I'm talking about, you know, just feeling lethargic, low energy, isolating yourself, all these different things, right. And you know, I think, as humans, we all go through feelings of depression, right? Not necessarily clinical, like I'm talking about. We all experienced that, that, that range of emotion, right, that spectrum of emotion, okay. So, again, if you're you know, I wanted to list a few of these out, because these are common symptoms that can happen when we are going through a dark night of the soul. Okay, and also, again, let's talk about some triggers of the dark night of the soul.
Speaker 2:What causes the dark night of the soul? Like I talked about earlier, it could be many different scenarios, but let's dive into that a bit more specifically right now. Again, it could be life events, major life events. It could be, as an example, end of a relationship, it could be the loss of a loved one. Maybe you're a parent and you've lost your child, as an example. I could imagine no greater loss than losing your child, right, or losing a loved one in your family?
Speaker 2:Okay, these are different things that can again back you up into a corner and make you question a lot of different things, right, and just put you in a space where you're like, oh my goodness, right, like it's a very difficult time in your life. It could be also you know that you have lost your job, right? Maybe you've been working somewhere for 20 years and now you've got laid off and now it's like, okay, well, who am I? Right, like, who am I now without my role? Like I've been doing this for 20 years, what do I do? How do I provide for my family? Like, so many different questions can come up. Right, and this is what I'm talking about.
Speaker 2:There are so many different things, so many different circumstances that that can really back us up into a corner and trigger that dark night of the soul. And, like I said earlier, right, just to kind of reemphasize here, it could be a specific event or it could be an accumulation of things over many years. But let's talk about a hypothetical scenario. Okay, maybe you're someone who you know you've been married for the past 20 years. Okay, we're 10, 20 years, an example.
Speaker 2:And then you go through a breakup, you go through a divorce with your partner okay, that is something that can definitely cause a dark night of the soul for so many different reasons. But first and foremost, you have lost your partner, right, so it doesn't matter who's breaking up with who here, right, obviously, I think after 20 years of marriage, I think it's safe to say that whoever breaks up with who, there's still a significant amount of loss, a significant amount of pain within that. Okay, and basically, your identity for so long could have been intertwined with your partner, right, because you've been in a relationship for so long that it's like who am I without this person? Who am I without this relationship? Right, so it challenges you, it challenges your sense of self, it challenges your identity, it challenges maybe even everything you thought you knew about relationships, right, and about love, all these different things. There's so many different things that can really be challenged, right? But again, it's like it comes down to this question who are you without this relationship? And also, you are losing shared dreams, right, visions of the future that you had with that person. That will no longer be relevant anymore because you're no longer with them, right, so with that person, that will no longer be relevant anymore because you're no longer with them, right? So there's a lot of things to kind of process as well when you're going through that, right? So this is what I'm saying. No wonder sometimes that can back us up into a corner and make us question a lot of different things, right, because it's an extremely painful experience and for a lot of us, right, that can be a trigger for a dark night of the soul.
Speaker 2:Now let's give another perspective on a relationship. Okay, let's say that you have been with someone for 15 years, but it's extremely toxic. Okay, it's been extremely, extremely toxic, but you're choosing to stay in the relationship. Okay, you're staying in the relationship. It could be for different reasons. Okay, you could be going through a dark night of the soul even when you're still in the relationship. Right, because you could be losing yourself. You could be losing yourself. You can be disconnecting from yourself. You could be questioning everything, okay, questioning everything you once believed about that person, about yourself, questioning again beliefs about love and relationships, and you know this shouldn't be normal, right, this shouldn't be a normal setting for a relationship. As an example Okay, so that can force you to go through a dark night of the soul.
Speaker 2:But then the other part of that is if we're being honest sometimes is a part of us wants to leave that relationship. Okay, because we know that it's toxic and our body's telling us that it is toxic, and we know that the relationship isn't good for us and we, you know we should be leaving. But there's another part of us that is staying there for different reasons. Okay, there's a part of us that's staying there because it's familiar and it's, you know, as toxic as it is. Right, it could be safe. Okay, and sometimes what happens is our nervous system would rather have a familiar hell than an unfamiliar heaven. Okay, so we stay somewhere that's kind of safe. We stay somewhere that's familiar because we're afraid of the unknown, because we're Again, who are we without this person? Right, who are we without the relationship? Because, again, you've built a sense of identity with this person for so long.
Speaker 2:And now the other side of this as well is not only do we lose someone and potentially a part of our identity, but there's another bigger thing at play here as well is that we are forced to face ourselves, right, we are forced to face why we're staying into that toxic relationship, and this is where shadow work can come to play, because it's possible that, through repression or suppression, there are parts of ourselves that we haven't faced. Okay, there are parts of ourselves that if we brought to light, it would be very, very difficult to work through, right, so, understanding why you've been staying in a place that's, you know, so familiar, yet so toxic, okay, there could be deeper wounding there that we haven't addressed. Okay, there could be, again, fear of abandonment. There could be, as an example, you know, fear of being alone. There could be so many different things that come out to play. So, again, staying in that relationship out of fear, out of comfort or out of dependency, can be reflecting parts of your shadows that you haven't addressed, right, such as fear of being alone and so many other different things. Right? But this is what I'm talking about. Not only are we losing someone, a part of ourselves, but then we're forced to face parts of ourselves as well, which is extremely, extremely difficult. And just to share a bit about my own dark night of the soul.
Speaker 2:Okay, so if I was to summarize my own experience, and really what I learned was basically this okay, I wanted other people to like me because I didn't like myself at the end of it all, this is really what it was. I wanted other people to like me because I didn't like myself and basically external validation was the main thing around, kind of like my identity, if you will, right, so I didn't know how to be happy with myself, so I searched for happiness in everything else. Okay, I've been open about my body image issues before. You know. I have a good relationship with my body now. I love the gym, and I always have, but now it's really from a healthy perspective, okay. But I thought, you know, killing myself in the gym and getting that great physique would make people like me and accept me, right, and people would think it's kind of like cool, okay. And basically I thought people would like me because of my body, Right. So that's what I'm trying to say.
Speaker 2:And also things like getting a nice career, getting a nice job, um, getting a nice house, getting a nice car, all these different things, right, I thought those were the things that would make me happy, okay, and that's when I it really shook my world, because when I realized, when I was sitting at home in my house and I was alone and I was realizing that everything I thought would make me whole, didn't? That's when I started to question everything, right, and on top of that, my mom was going through cancer and all these different things. But when I really realized like everything I thought I knew that would make me happy didn't was like a core, right, like that's what I mean. It shook me to my core. It's like, okay, well, what do I do now? Right, like nothing, nothing is making me happy. What do I do now?
Speaker 2:And this is again where I had to kind of confront, you know, and do shadow work a bit is like okay, well, I am not enough, right, and I'm just kind of like summarizing this, but like I am not enough. That belief, that is what I needed to bring to light in order to be able to heal myself and integrate that part of myself. But again, at the core of it all, I think, you know, I just didn't like myself. I didn't like myself, and I think the person that was trying to prove that I was enough to was myself, okay, and that didn't work and that generally didn't work. And that's where, for me, there was a shift, okay, and I think for a lot of people, I think we get so sick of feeling a certain way that it's like we have no other choice but to change. We get so tired of feeling a certain way. It's like, okay, I need to do something else. Right, and like.
Speaker 2:This is what happened for me when I started realizing that everything I thought would make me happy Didn't. This is where I, you know, I started shedding. This is what I was talking about earlier. I was shedding those beliefs, shedding those things that I thought I was, and I was shedding all of these different things so that I can create space for what truly means something to me and what truly brings meaning to my life. And that's when, at that point in time, I went through my soul-searching journey. And this took me a while, and this is what I'm saying.
Speaker 2:Even though you start seeing kind of light at the end of the tunnel, it doesn't mean you're out right away, but you don't need to have everything figured out as well, okay, but for me personally, as I was going through this and then I started kind of my soul searching journey, I started reading more books, I started really diving into myself, which, again, is still difficult, right, because now you're starting to learn about yourself, but you also need to learn to unlearn the things that no longer serve you, okay, which, again, can be very difficult. So, for me, like, my dark night of the soul was again kind of like a chart, right, it was like up and down, up and down, but, you know, as I was kind of, you know, by the end of it I realized like, wow, you know, I've been through all of this and now it's like I want to help other people going through a similar experience, right, which is why I got into the podcast, which is why I got into coaching. I didn't have everything figured out at that point in time, but I just knew that meaning for me was to be of service to other people and help other people in the best way I can. And this is what my dark night of the soul allowed me to do was to truly, kind of, you know, let my ego evolve, right, let it do what it needed to do, shed those things that I didn't need anymore and again create space for the things that really were meant to be in my life, okay. And again, this is how, for me, I found meaning right, and and being of service to others and helping other people go through similar experiences, which, again, is why I started the coaching and the podcast.
Speaker 2:So what I'm trying to say is that you don't need to have everything figured out when you're, when you're going through the dark night of the soul. But let me tell you something is that when you start seeing that light at the end of the tunnel, it's, it's one of the greatest feelings that will ever come to you. It's I can't explain it other than that. And you know, um, I was talking to a client today and that's, and that's what they were saying. Literally, they were saying, like you know, I'm, I'm seeing this light at the end of the tunnel and it feels so good, right, and I'm like, yes, this is exactly what it's supposed to feel like, right, and this is what my experience, for me, allowed me to understand. Is that it's not that I'm killing my ego, okay, it's not that I'm transcending my ego. It's that, really, I'm allowing myself to evolve. I'm allowing myself to create and solidify a better sense of identity, right, and a sense of identity that is truly aligning with my soul, okay, so that's what I'm saying. For me, it helped me develop a healthy ego, okay, and I think this is what's so important about the whole process and what's so transformative about this entire thing is that you are, you're kind of like building yourself again, right, and then you feel amazing at the end of it.
Speaker 2:So, again, I just wanted to really highlight this. But if you are struggling and if you are going through this, just please understand, like I said earlier, there is light at the end of the tunnel. Okay, now I really want to kind of dive into how do we work through this? Okay, how do we work through the dark night of the soul? So, tip number one that I want to share with everyone is acceptance over resistance.
Speaker 2:Okay, now, I know that this is much easier said than done, right, I'm not trying to discredit that at all, but it's simply giving ourselves permission to move through this. Right, allow ourselves to go through this experience because, you know, maybe, as you're listening to this video now, you have an understanding of like, okay, this is what I'm going through and it's completely normal. This is what I'm trying to say okay, you're not broken, there's nothing wrong with you. You're going through a transformative time in your life and this is completely okay and it's necessary. Right, it's necessary. It's what I'm trying to also point here. It's kind of like this you know, the butterfly and the cocoon type of thing. You know what I'm trying to say, right? But again, it's really, it's a rebirth, it's allowing yourself to go through this experience so that you come out better on the other side, so that you come out on the other side with a good sense of self, right, and that your life has meaning again and that you're feeling better and that your quality of life is improved. Okay, so this is what I mean. There will be resistance along the way, right, a dark night of the soul. You will have good days, bad days, all these different things, and which, with change, comes resistance, but please give yourself permission to move through it.
Speaker 2:Tip number two that I want to share is to try to reframe the experience. Now. What I mean by that is, you know, as you've seen from this episode today, a big part of the dark night of the soul is what comes out of it. Right, it's the kind of that version of you that comes out of that. It's the experience, it's the transformations, it's the lessons that you learn. So, if you're going through a really difficult time right now, please understand that, like I said earlier, there is light at the end of the tunnel, there's a reward at the end of this right, and the reward will be much greater than you can ever imagine, even if you don't see it at this point in time.
Speaker 2:Okay, so, please allow yourself to go through the pain. Don't run away from the pain, right? No, spiritual bypassing is what I'm trying to say, okay, don't just say like, oh, you know, I'm going through it, it is what it is. Everything happens for a reason and then try to brush things off. No, no. Allow yourself to go through the pain, the resistance, all these different things.
Speaker 2:And one thing I do ask you is please, if you have old patterns of addiction, try not to return to those, right? The dark night is also urging you to look at those patterns, because those patterns of addiction okay, sometimes it could be. You know, addiction, sex, porn, all these different things right, those are things you were like we use sometimes as coping mechanisms when we've hit rock bottom because we don't know what else to do with our lives. As an example, we don't know how to change, we don't know how to move forward, and that could be a way that we deal with stuff. Okay, but again, the dark night is urging you to look at those patterns, because those patterns will be things that you shed, that you will not be bringing forward in your new chapter.
Speaker 2:Okay, so tip number two is, again, is to really try to reframe the experience. As you know, what am I learning from this? Right, what is this teaching me? Tip number three is back to basics. Okay, what I mean by this is, sometimes, when we're going through a dark night of the soul, if we kind of reflect back on earlier, what we talked about in terms of the emotions and what we're feeling, right, that disconnect, that lonely, that isolation in terms of the emotions, and what we're feeling, right, that disconnect, that lonely, that isolation, um, all these different things, right? Sometimes, if we're feeling low energy, low motivation, we don't really go back to the basics and take care of ourselves. Okay, so this is what I'm saying If we're going through this phase, it's very important that our basic needs are met.
Speaker 2:So, how much sleep are you getting? Can you focus on getting more sleep? Have you been eating, right, like? Have you been eating nutritious meals or are you just skipping meals all day? Right, try to get some food in you. Also, when's the last time you've moved your body, right, I think, like, especially when you're going through a dark night of the soul, grounding yourself, and not just like grounding yourself in terms of, like you know, walking outside barefoot in nature that's a beautiful thing but like actually grounding yourself in your body. So, going to the gym, right, like going to the gym exercising, going for walks, yoga, whatever it may be, but grounding yourself in your body as well, kind of like that embodiment, is what I'm trying to say.
Speaker 2:These are all crucial, crucial aspects and probably the most important thing that I've shared today. Honestly, as you are going through this dark night of the soul, right, because during this difficult time you need all kind of like, you need the odds stacked in your favor as an example, and these are basic things that you can do to help yourself feel better and go through this transition and go through this experience. So tip number three is really back to basics. Tip number four is to seek connection and seek support. This is so important because I think one of the common symptoms of a dark night of the soul is isolation, right, where we just we push everything away, we push everyone else out and we're just kind of there, right, we're just kind of existing and we're just trying to make sense of it all and we're just trying to go through it and understand what's going on and all these different things.
Speaker 2:And, of course, sometimes we don't mean to do this, but we do this, right, we do this and we isolate ourselves. And again, this is why I'm saying you don't have to go through this alone. You do not have to go through this experience alone, and it's much better when you have someone to guide you or even just someone to talk to you. Right, it doesn't necessarily have to be a coach or a therapist Obviously, you know those would be great people to help you through this but also it could be a friend that you're talking to or a family member okay, it could even be immersing yourself in a good, in a few good books, right, books that can really help you go through the process of the dark night of the soul. There are so many out there that you could read on the dark night of the soul or just what you're going through, right, like I've talked about in other episodes, I surely believe that there's a book out there for anything that you are going through, right, and there are many different resources out there to really help us going through that. So it's not only seeking support but also seeking different modalities that can help you through this difficult time. Okay, but again, please understand that you are going to go through it right, at your own pace, and kind of just a side tangent as well.
Speaker 2:One thing that I've kind of noticed is, like, how do I accelerate my progress in the dark night of the soul, right? Like how do I accelerate this? And in my personal opinion, I don't think it's a time that needs to be accelerated, right. I think it's a time that you're moving at your own pace and that you are learning and integrating the lessons as you're learning, right. So I feel like, if you're trying to accelerate right, and, you know, trying to rush through the process, I think that could be kind of like a form of spiritual bypassing, like we were talking about earlier. So for me, it's about learning what needs to be learned in that lesson, right? If it takes two months, it takes two months. If it takes six months, it takes six months, and that is completely okay.
Speaker 2:And last but not least, the final tip that I want to share in today's video is to have self-compassion and to approach this process with a sense of curiosity. Okay, I think for me, those are the two things in life that can never miss right. I know that they are extremely hard to kind of adopt into a scenario that can be so difficult, but please have self-compassion for yourself. Okay, you are going through something that's extremely difficult and that is completely okay. There's nothing wrong with you. You're not broken, right. And sometimes it feels that way when we're shedding these old beliefs, we're shedding these old layers that no longer serve us. Okay, and that's the other thing as well. When we're shedding, we're peeling back layers, right, and sometimes peeling back layers isn't necessarily only about discovering who you are, but who you were always meant to be, okay. So this is why I'm saying, I think, having self-compassion and approaching this whole process with a sense of curiosity, okay, and really allowing yourself to immerse yourself in the experience and be like okay, you know, let's be curious about this, and kind of like I talked about earlier, reframing this into an experience of like what is this trying to teach me?
Speaker 2:Okay, and just allowing yourself to join the dance, kind of like Alan Watts would say, but again, self-compassion and curiosity through this whole process. If you're dealing with parts of yourself that have been suppressed or repressed for a long time. There's no need to shame yourself for that, right, there are things that you're going to learn along this journey that will be difficult to face. But, again, if you can approach that with a sense of curiosity, like in my example, right, like I'm not enough, okay, obviously there was a lot of shame and guilt and fear and anger tied to those things, but instead of you know.
Speaker 2:Well, initially, anyways, I was obviously hard on myself, but then, as I kind of approached the sense of self-compassion and curiosity, I dove into what is it that's making me feel not enough? Right? Like, why do I feel not enough? Okay, this is what I mean by turning that into a curiosity right and turning that into a curious approach where we can learn more about ourselves and the experience and then integrate that so that we can lead a better, more meaningful life. So, that being said, that's all I've got for you guys on today's episode. If you did like the episode, please feel free to leave a comment or review, share it. It really helps bring awareness to what I'm trying to do, which is really kind of you know, spread this podcast on a broader scale to really help people just navigate everyday life challenges. So, again. With that being said, I hope you have a good week and I will catch you guys next week. You.
