A Mindful Perspective

How to Have the Hard Conversations

Nick Levesque Episode 38

Have you ever found yourself avoiding a difficult converstion? In today's episode,  we talk about how to better prepare ourselves for those conversations. In this episode, we venture beyond the fear and resistance that so often silence our voices, revealing how radical honesty can actually reinforce our relationships. We're not just talking about getting things off your chest; it's about fostering resilience and respect through each challenging discussion.  By embracing the unease, we find strength in vulnerability and pave a path to deeper connections.

Navigating through the nuances of communication, we discuss strategies to ensure our messages are conveyed effectively and with empathy. Discover how preparation and timing are key to addressing sensitive issues, such as feeling overlooked by a partner preoccupied with their own world. Learn the art of differentiating between personal insecurities and legitimate concerns, and how grounding oneself spiritually can anchor these important interactions. It's not just about what you say, but how and when you say it, setting the stage for a clear and honest exchange that prioritizes understanding over merely being understood.

And when the conversation heats up, we explore the pivotal role of empathy and active listening in cooling things down. I share insights on managing emotions constructively and the significance of taking a pause when the air gets too charged. Whether you're in the midst of a heated debate with a roommate over unwashed dishes or seeking common ground on larger life issues, this episode sheds light on transforming conflict into compromise.

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Speaker 1:

Hello everyone and welcome to A Mindful Perspective. I'm your host, nick Levesque, certified Spiritual Life Coach, and I'm here to share insights into my journey of mindfulness and self-discovery. Each week, we'll explore mindset, spirituality and personal growth to help you navigate life's challenges, with practical strategies and inspiring stories. Let's dive in. Hey everyone, and welcome to another episode of the Mindful Perspective. In today's episode, I really want to talk about how to have the difficult conversations, because I think it's a topic that's very close to me personally, but it's also something that I've heard many people struggle with as well. So we will be really diving into tips and tricks on how to have those hard conversations, especially when we really don't want to have them Now. Another reason I really want to talk about this today is because life will always present us with difficult situations where we need to have those difficult conversations, right. Whether we really don't want to or not, we may have this gut feeling that you know is calling to us and saying like, okay, I really should be having this conversation with that person. Right, I really need to be having that conversation with that person. So, whether that is at work, right, maybe it's a colleague at work, maybe you need to talk to your boss about something. Okay, it could be a friend, it could be a spouse, a partner your boss, like I was just saying, right? So there are many, many different scenarios where we can kind of fall into a situation where we really need to talk to someone about something. But the thing is, these conversations can be extremely stressful and oftentimes we will automatically jump to a conclusion right, we're going to assume the worst case scenario. We might think like, oh well, if I say that I might offend that person, right, and that's a big reason why we don't want to have the conversations, because we think we might end up hurting that person receiving the message. However, I'm a firm believer that if we can approach the conversation from a conscious perspective, okay, and really come at it with a sense of purpose and a sense of dignity which we'll be diving into a bit later I truly believe that these conversations can actually open up a new realm into that relationship.

Speaker 1:

Okay, because the important thing to remember about having these conversations is that it is a skill. Okay, in my personal opinion, we are not taught how to have hard conversations, right. For me personally, you know, personally speaking, in high school or college, I never had a class that was talking about how to have these difficult conversations, right. But personally, for me, honestly, I would really have benefited from that because, as I was reflecting on this episode and kind of just putting this episode together and thinking about my own personal stories, there are so many situations where I really avoided the hard conversations right, because I didn't want to end up hurting someone. But, honestly, it is a skill that we have to practice, just like listening is an example. A lot of people don't think about listening as a skill, and I have an episode entirely on the art of listening. But listening is also a skill that we need to learn, and I truly believe that listening and having the hard conversations go hand in hand, because in the hard conversations, we also need to really listen to that other person's perspective.

Speaker 1:

Okay, this is what I mean by having a conscious conversation. It's not only showing up to the conversation and talking about whatever it is that you're bringing to the table, but it's also about understanding their perspective and truly listening to what they will have to say after you have presented them with the situation that you want to talk about. Now, as you're listening to this episode, you might actually be facing this circumstance in your life right now? Okay, so maybe you are in a situation right now where you are avoiding having a hard conversation. Okay, so if that is the case and maybe not maybe you're not having those types of conversations right now or maybe you're not presented with that opportunity right now. But if you are in a situation where you know that you should be having that conversation, just take a moment, tune into that feeling. Okay, what's coming up for you? Is it stress? Are you nervous? Are you anxious? Is there frustration? Maybe you don't want to talk to someone about something because you think you might be frustrated about the outcome or the situation and generally ask yourself why are you avoiding it? Because let's take a moment to be honest here.

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The reality is not all difficult conversations will end well. It can happen that even though you take steps to ensure that you go in as smoothly as possible, there is a chance that it may not end well. But there's also a higher probability, in my personal opinion, that if we take the right steps and we again we approach this consciously that it will end up with, hopefully, anyway, some sort of mutual understanding. Right, maybe it won't be a full agreement right away, but it could be a mutual understanding and again, it's something that can even sometimes open a new realm in that relationship. So, as an example, maybe you really need to talk to your partner about something. Okay, maybe you guys have not been spending enough time lately or not as much time as you're typically used to, and that's bothering you, okay. So you really want to have that conversation, it's really been bothering you, but maybe a part of you feels that it's not an important conversation to have. Or maybe a part of you feels that your partner may get offended. Okay, so again we get scared that we might perhaps even you know offend our partner, lose our partner, think that our partner's too clingy, whatever the circumstance may be okay, but oftentimes, if we are radically honest, okay, like I said earlier, it can genuinely help the relationship grow. It can genuinely help that relationship flourish.

Speaker 1:

A moment of discomfort is worth growth in the relationship. That's my personal opinion. If having that conversation stems some discomfort just for a little bit, but honestly opens a new door into your relationship, unlocks a new level, if you will right, kind of like a game it but honestly opens a new door into your relationship, unlocks a new level, if you will right. Kind of like a game, it just unlocks that new level into your relationship. Then, was it really worth having that hard talk? Right? Was it really worth having that difficult conversation? Absolutely it was. So. This is why, in my personal opinion, I find it so important to have those hard conversations, because, again, I truly believe that the risk to reward ratio is worth it.

Speaker 1:

Okay, the reward that you get far outweighs the risk. Okay, and sometimes it's not only for a relationship, right? Sometimes it could be for yourself. Sometimes you have to let go of the people that you know are toxic. Okay, maybe you are on a different path than your friends are in life, okay, and you need to cut loose, you need to let go of those relationships. Those are extremely difficult conversations to have, but, again, will it be benefiting you? Okay, that's an important question that you have to ask yourself. If you know you're in a situation where you know you need to end a friendship, but you don't want to hurt them, you don't want to offend them, okay, maybe you're just no longer in kind of the same phase that they are, and that is completely okay. But to hold on to something that's toxic for you personally, to hold on to something that just no longer benefits you. Okay, that is a risk, in my personal opinion, right? So, yes, it will be a difficult conversation, but the reward far outweighs the risk, and oftentimes some of us will also avoid the conversation because we want to just simply keep the peace. Okay, and personally, in my opinion, that's not the way to go.

Speaker 1:

Okay, keeping the peace is not the goal of a relationship. We need to talk about the things that we need to talk about. So, as an example, let's say that you're not spending as much time with your partner, like we were talking about earlier. Right, you feel like you're not spending as much time with your partner and that's actually genuinely bothering you. Maybe something has happened, maybe you know you're both busy and you're just not taking the time together, right? Maybe the date nights that you have scheduled every week, maybe those have been postponed or pushed back and you're just missing that affection and that connection with your partner.

Speaker 1:

Okay, sometimes you might think, oh well, you know, it's not that big of a deal, it's not that big of a deal, I'm just going to avoid the conversation. Okay, well, honestly, first and foremost, I think that is a big deal because, you know, especially in a romantic relationship, right, intimacy and that connection is a crucial part of that Okay. So if it is really bothering you and it's stressing you out and it's you know it's on your mind a lot, I think it's truly worth having the conversation. And not only that, but maybe your partner is also thinking the same thing and also, on their end, trying to avoid the piece. Okay, like, the way I see it is like if you are avoiding conversations, okay, well, your partner might also be avoiding conversations, and maybe there's a certain topic that both of you have been avoiding that if someone actually brings it up, they're gonna be like oh my goodness, I felt the same way. Okay, this is what I mean.

Speaker 1:

Sometimes our mind can kind of project into the future. We start analyzing and just kind of creating these narratives and these stories that are playing around, but they're not necessarily true. So, really, if it's something that's generally bothering you, I truly believe that it's so important to bring that up with your partner, and I'm a firm believer that if you take your walls down and you allow yourself to be vulnerable and really express yourself with your partner, I'm pretty sure that that will also be reciprocated. Okay, and I'm pretty sure that your partner on the receiving end will genuinely appreciate you. A relationship is a team effort, it's teamwork, so you have to work together and I truly believe that greater transparency can lead to deeper connection and trust, and that is in any relationship, to be quite honest. But I truly believe, especially as we're talking about romantic relationships here, especially in a romantic relationship and again I can completely understand how overwhelming and stressful it is to take those initial steps, to have that conversation but generally, instead of thinking about all that can go wrong, also think about all that can go right. Also think about how it can bring you closer in your friendship, your relationship, your relationship with your co-workers or your boss, as an example. Right, if you can think of different worst case scenarios, you can also very much think of some best case scenarios as well.

Speaker 1:

So now, with that being said, let's really dive into some tips that have really helped me personally on how to have these hard conversations. So, first and foremost, the first tip that I want to share is prepare yourself mentally and emotionally. Okay If you know that you're about to have a difficult conversation, whether it's with a friend, a spouse, a boss, a coworker, whatever it may be. If you have the, the assumption perhaps, that it can also get offended or triggered by what you're going to say. I think it's very, very important to, first and foremost, prepare yourself mentally and emotionally, okay. So also tune in with yourself and say, okay, well, listen, if he gets triggered, I can also get triggered.

Speaker 1:

Right, so it's really about again being conscious in the conversation that you're about to have, but it's also coming prepared with a goal in mind of the conversation. Okay, so you really need to come to the conversation with a clear message and a goal in mind. Okay, so what is it that you hope to achieve from this conversation? Right? In my personal opinion, I think the goal should be mutual understanding and respect from each other's point of views. Right, because, again, you don't have to agree on everything that's going to go on in that conversation, but, again, I think you truly need to have a goal on what you're hoping to achieve in the conversation.

Speaker 1:

So, as an example, if we go back to what I was talking about earlier about not spending enough time in the relationship, okay, well, you want to come to the conversation prepared about what's going on, why you're feeling that way and what you really want to bring to the table. Okay, you don't want to just jump into the conversation and say you are not spending enough time with me. Okay, that is putting the blame entirely on someone else that is actually possibly going to trigger someone else because they don't. You know they're okay. You're saying that you need to have a conversation with them, and then you kind of just throw that all on them, right? Well, it's kind of difficult to receive that way. So that's what I mean by truly having a goal when you are coming to this conversation, and not only having a goal, but having a clear message. Okay, and like I said earlier, the goal should be mutual understanding and respect.

Speaker 1:

Another important factor to keep in mind as well is that you can also anticipate how that person's going to react, and what I mean by that is don't just go making entire assumptions here, but what I just mean is like, okay, if it's a touchy subject, you know this person and you think they might be triggered, then you want to make sure that you are delivering the message in the polite manner as you can right, also direct, but in a polite manner as well. Right, again, the goal here is not to trigger and offend people, and if someone is truly offended and you're bringing this to the conversation in a very polite manner, in the best way that you can, then I truly believe that's a them issue and not you, right? If you're truly trying to deliver this as as consciously as possible, okay, I think that's good. But also another thing that's very important is to consider a good time and spot to do it, and I know this sounds pretty basic and self-explanatory, but I think this is very important because sometimes, when we really need to talk about something or we get very emotionally charged or something, we can start the conversation unconsciously. Maybe that's through text or over phone, or perhaps you need to talk to your spouse about something and you're starting this whole thing while they're working okay or while you're also working, and that's just not a good place to do it right. So really consider a good time and spot to do it as well.

Speaker 1:

However, another important point that I want to bring to the table here is the following what's your story? Is there genuinely something wrong, or is it your own insecurities and your own projections? If you will own insecurities and your own projections, if you will, that you're kind of putting onto your partner, okay, it's. You know, having the hard conversations is important with your partner, but it's also very important with yourself, okay, radical honesty goes both ways, not only with your relationships whether that's a friend, a coworker or your spouse it's also with you.

Speaker 1:

So, again, let's use that example of not spending enough time with your partner. Is your partner actually never spending time with you, or are your expectations way too high? Are you expecting too much from your partner? Is it your own insecurities that are coming to the surface? Is it your own, perhaps, fear of abandonment that's making you think this way? Maybe your partner's been generally busy working on projects, or maybe stuck at work and all these different things. Okay, maybe he's had to postpone date nights or whatever it may be. And then perhaps you're thinking, oh, we never spend time together. He doesn't love me anymore, he doesn't want to spend time with me, he's too busy for me, all these different things, right?

Speaker 1:

So, generally, what I'm trying to say here is, before going into a deep conversation with someone, right, it's also good to just do a very quick self reflection, not only about why you want to have this conversation, but what's your part in this conversation, right? What's your story? Is there genuinely something wrong or is there something in your own story that you're kind of not realizing? Is there something that you're not radically being honest with yourself about? And once you kind of assess these things and you're preparing yourself mentally, emotionally, I also think a very important component here is to also ground yourself and prepare yourself spiritually. So what I mean by that is to make sure that you're coming into the conversation grounded, clear headed and as conscious as possible. Okay.

Speaker 1:

So what I mean is get ready before the talk. If you know it's going to be, or there's a chance that it might be, a very you know, a big talk or a very charged conversation, well, maybe go for a workout before, maybe do some breath work. Okay, find a way to center yourself before so that you don't just start kind of blaming or shaming or projecting all your stuff onto someone else, okay. So again, tip number one is really to prepare yourself mentally, emotionally and also, I would say, spiritually. Tip number two is to state what's about to happen. So, now that you've kind of prepared yourself and you're ready, you've got a clear message, you've got a goal for the conversation, all these different things. You want to state what's about to happen, okay.

Speaker 1:

So, as you're about to have the conversation with them, you are upfront and you are honest and you can say something like, hey, I need to have an uncomfortable conversation with you, and you can even be very honest about them. Right, you can even say something along the lines of I'm afraid to have this conversation with you and I'll do my best, but I'd rather have it than to avoid it. Okay, or you can even be again, you are honest and you accept responsibility and say, hey, I think I should have really brought this up sooner and I should have had this conversation with you sooner. But can we have this conversation? And that question in and of itself, can we have this conversation is an extremely crucial part to this, because you're asking them permission to have this conversation. Ok, you're being open, you're being honest, you're being vulnerable that what's about to happen is an uncomfortable conversation.

Speaker 1:

So you're already kind of setting them, you're already kind of preparing them for what's about to happen is an uncomfortable conversation. So you're already kind of setting them, you're already kind of preparing them for what's about to happen, right, but honestly, maybe they're just really not in the space to have that conversation right now. Maybe they have to run to a meeting in 10 minutes. Okay, maybe they've got an appointment or something, so maybe they can't have the conversation right now. So If you actually take time to consider them and their day as an example, as opposed to simply just unleashing the beast and really just going full stop and putting the entire blame on them, they'll be very more receptive. They'll be probably very more open to have the conversation with you. And if they can't have it in this moment, okay, well, you've already kind of set the stage here and they can let you know when is a better time to have that conversation.

Speaker 1:

But again, being very, very honest is so important. But I just want to put the emphasis right Don't blame them. Don't start the conversation with like you always do this, I hate when you do this, okay. Sometimes I understand we can get very emotionally charged, but again, I think the key here is to be direct but kind. We want to avoid absolutes, and what I mean by absolutes is you always do this, you never do this, okay. So I think you understand the perspective that I'm trying to make here.

Speaker 1:

But, seriously, it's just about not blaming them and in fact, I think it's very important to even go as far as using I statements as much as we can, and what I mean by I statements is literally starting the sentence with I feel blank, so I feel sad, I feel angry, I feel frustrated. As an example, it doesn't really matter the emotion, but essentially it's you. You feel a certain way, okay, and then you want to talk about the behavior that they're doing, or when did this happen? So you can pick a behavior they recently did or when that behavior specifically happened. Okay, and I think here again, it's very important to not say you always do this or you never do the dishes. As an example, it could be whatever, right, but you also don't want to dig up the past from like three months ago. If they did something, right.

Speaker 1:

Just try to stick to a recent event and say, hey, like I feel blank when this happened. As an example, right? So if we put this together with a few examples, it could look like the following okay, instead of saying you always cancel plans last minute, you could say something like I feel disappointed when our plans are canceled at the last minute because I look forward to our time together. Another example could be instead of saying you never spend time with me anymore, you could say something along the lines of I feel lonely when we don't spend much time together. It makes me miss how connected we used to be. And just the final one instead of saying you're always leaving a mess in the kitchen, you could say something like I feel frustrated when the kitchen is left super messy because it's difficult for me to actually do anything in the kitchen or even start cooking afterwards. So again, these are just a few examples.

Speaker 1:

But if you truly start with a conversation in this manner and you're not associating blame or putting blame on the person itself, and you're really trying to come at this with understanding, emotional intelligence, empathy, okay, you're really trying to come at this in a conscious perspective. I think you are doing your best. I think you're honestly doing the best in that situation. And can it also happen that the person gets triggered, offended, etc. Absolutely Okay, sometimes, depending on the conversation, if it gets too heated, etc. Right, we're all humans. No one's perfect. Sometimes it can happen where we just need to take a break and come back to the conversation later.

Speaker 1:

However, in my personal opinion, I truly believe that if you're taking these steps and you're approaching the conversation very consciously, in an applied but direct manner and the other person walks away or they're super triggered or whatever that may be. That is not on you. Okay, you have done your part and it's on them to kind of deal with their own stuff, their own triggers, and figure out what's triggering them. Okay, maybe it's a part of themselves that they kind of see there, maybe they kind of know you're right and they just don't want to own up to it, et cetera. Okay, but truly, if you honestly follow these steps and approach the conversation consciously, I think you've done more than enough.

Speaker 1:

Tip number three is to honestly listen to what they have to say, validate what they have to say and empathize with what they have to say. Listen to what they have to say without interrupting. Yes, you are bringing something to the table, but again, you have to understand that you are bringing this conversation right. You are starting this conversation. That person was probably not expecting that. Or maybe you said, okay, let's talk about this when we get home tonight, and now they're expecting something, but they're not sure what to expect, right? So it's truly important to come at this with a place of understanding and empathy.

Speaker 1:

Okay, like, put yourself in that other person's shoes, right, how would you feel if someone kind of came at you with a hard conversation that they had to have, right, it's okay to be triggered, it's okay to be emotionally charged, but it's okay to be triggered. It's okay to be emotionally charged, but it's understanding where they are coming from and listening to what they have to say, without interrupting them. Because if we go back to the example of not spending enough time with your partner I'm just going to use this one because we've talked about it throughout the episode but if you're going through that conversation with your partner and they're just genuinely honest and say, hey, listen, I'm very sorry that I haven't been able to spend as much time with you lately. I've just been very busy. There's been so much on my plate, I've just been overwhelmed, I've been stressed, et cetera. Okay, well, maybe they've really got a genuine reason as to why they haven't been spending time with you or what's been going on in their life.

Speaker 1:

Okay, so that's what I'm saying. It's so important to understand where that person is coming from as well and their perspective. Okay, so get an understanding of the situation entirely, not only your story, but their stories as well and the reason. You really want to get an understanding of the story from their perspective is also depending on what the situation is and depending on what you guys are talking about.

Speaker 1:

Some people are just not even aware that they're doing the thing that they're doing, okay. So, as an example, let's say you're with your roommate and we'll use an example of dishes right, if they're never doing the dishes, well, maybe for them it's just not something they used to do at home often, okay, and they're just not aware that they have to do the dishes as an example. Okay, sometimes. What I mean is that we're all different human beings. We all come from different backgrounds, different childhoods, different ways and walks of life. So just because something seems normal to you doesn't necessarily make it normal to someone else. So we just need to understand and empathize and really understand someone else's perspective.

Speaker 1:

So this is really what I mean by this, and I think the final part of this empathizing and really truly actively listening, if you will is to really kind of reflect back what they've said in your own words Okay, so maybe you've expressed whatever it is, and then they're saying well, I feel very upset about this because I feel like I'm putting a lot of effort into our relationship. I'm trying to spend as much time as possible, etc. It doesn't matter what the situation is, but you can really just tell them so, if I'm understanding correctly, what you're feeling is. So you're just kind of reflecting what they're feeling and then they're like, yes, absolutely, that's really what I'm feeling, that's really what I'm going through, and this is something that's used a lot in therapy and coaching, all these different things, right, but it's just kind of really reflecting what the other person has said to make them feel seen and understood. The point of this conversation is a hard conversation and obviously you're bringing something up that could offend someone and could potentially hurt someone. But the thing is again, the goal of the conversation is to have some sort of mutual understanding and to approach this with as much respect as possible. This is what I'm saying. You don't want to go into conversation and blame and judge and all these different things, right? You want to truly sit down with that person and acknowledge the soul that is in front of you, right? Really acknowledge that this is a human being that also has feelings, that also has emotions, that also can get triggered or hurt by this, okay, so really it's just about understanding. You don't have to agree with everything they're saying. You don't have to agree with them at all, but at least try to understand where they are coming from.

Speaker 1:

Tip number four is to pay attention to the emotions of both you and the other person. Okay, so, I think this is very important. You need to take a moment to just check in the situation. Okay, so, if you and your friend, or you and your partner, or you and your boss, as an example, you're having a discussion about something and it's starting to get too heated, maybe you're starting to get triggered because they're saying something, right? So and this can happen, okay, in a conversation emotions are high, right, and when emotions are high, the logical thinking is low. So you may have said something, they got triggered, and then they say something and you get triggered, and then it's just a battle of triggers. Right, you are just battling triggers and that is just. It's not going to go anywhere, right? You're just going to get heated and heated and frustrated and angry, and then it actually turns into an argument.

Speaker 1:

Okay, and now the difficult conversation turns into an impossible conversation, which is not ideal. So just take a moment to check Are you too heated? Right? If you feel like your body's starting to get warm, or your tone of voice is starting to go up, you're starting to, you know, get argumentative, or the other person is, then I think at that point it's very good to perhaps even step away from the conversation, okay, and have a short break. If you're noticing this, you can just say something like hey, I think we are both getting too heated, or I think, maybe, maybe, you know, do you want to take a quick break and come back to this? Uh, in a few minutes? Right, just take a walk, take a quick walk, go take a few deep breaths, go outside for a minute, come back in. We'll just, we'll discuss this after.

Speaker 1:

But I truly believe that it's so important to pay attention to the emotions, right, because, again, like I keep saying, the goal of this is that to come out with some sort of understanding, a a mutual understanding and some sort of outcome. You don't have to agree necessarily entirely with what is being discussed, but, again, nothing is going to be discussed if it turns into an argument. Okay. So, again, tip number four really pay attention to emotions of both you and the other person. Tip number five is to try to seek a resolution or an understanding of some sort. Okay, so, if we're being honest with each other here, not all difficult conversations will end in a smile, not all difficult conversations will end in an agreement, but the goal should be to achieve some level of understanding, some way forward, whatever that may be.

Speaker 1:

But this is also where, in your case, even though you're the one bringing up that conversation, it's important to be open to compromise where possible. So let's say that your partner is saying okay, well, let's work together on how we can kind of spend more time together. Okay, well, obviously you're going to have to compromise on that as well. Okay, If you're bringing up that conversation where you want to spend more time together, you also need to compromise as well. It's not them or it's not on them to cancel all their other plans and do all these things or change their entire life around just to spend time with you, right? This is what I mean by compromise.

Speaker 1:

And also, you may not have a resolution right away. Maybe you can follow up later on the conversation. Okay, maybe you guys will take some time away, just think things through and come back later, right, when you're fresh, when you're clear, when emotions are a little less charged. But again, in all honesty, sometimes there won't really be a resolution. If you have to have a hard conversation with an employee that you have to fire, as an example, if you have to have a hard conversation with a friend that you no longer want to be friends with because you know that, instead of bringing you up, they're bringing you down, they're not actually contributing anything of significance to your life, okay, they're not showing up for you when you would do the same for them as an example. Right, the friendship, if you will, is not really reciprocated.

Speaker 1:

Okay, it could be that you have to break up with someone, right. Not all relationships will obviously work. Okay, so it could be something that you're like. Okay, I know the deepest part of my core, the deepest part of my soul, that this person is not the person that I meant to be with. I need to have this conversation, maybe able to try to find some sort of resolution or understanding or whatever it may be, but maybe you know in the deepest parts of yourself that this is not the person you're meant to be with. This is not going to work out. Then again, those are extremely difficult conversations that may not end well at all, right, so just something to obviously you know when we're going into this to keep in mind.

Speaker 1:

Okay and I know that can sound kind of, you know, basic or self-explanatory, but I think it's very important to note. So, again, it's at least trying to achieve some level of understanding or to find a way forward, really depending on the conversation itself. So, that being said, that's all I've got for you guys on today's episode. If you did like the episode, please feel free to leave a comment or review, share it. It really helps bring awareness to what I'm trying to do, which is really kind of, you know, spread this podcast on a broader scale to really help people just navigate everyday life challenges. So, again, with that being said, I hope you have a good week and I will catch you guys next week. Thank you.

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